That's Paul Stockhoff. Paul is a product and furniture designer, which is as cool of a career as it sounds like. But that doesn't mean every furniture design job is a great one. In fact, Paul had a previous job where he knew day one that he didn't want to stay. But he ...
Tony:Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And the worst-case scenarios that I painted in my mind ultimately didn't turn out, and going out of business in 2008, I was sure that I was going to have to find another job. That didn't happen, we were able to navigate that. There's just story after...